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In fact I have been plying with the latest beta version for about 10 days (I wrote you guys a few weeks back) and have been compiling a list regarding some bugs (Mac user, but not the same as the posted bugs I’ve already viewed) and some places where I’m personally struggling to either adopt the program to my building style, or just simply behind the learning curve. The overlay issue was one of those items and since I found that topic here already I decided to contribute. If you would prefer I not pipe in until version 2 is in the works just let me know.. I’d hate to overstep my bounds. As I mentioned in my letter to you and Greg, I have been searching for many years to find a program adaptable to my manufacturing process, and so far Cabwriter comes closer than most. I still have lots of testing to do but would certainly like to contribute. Am I to assume that the version I downloaded last week will have some upgrades in the trial version…i.e. ability to try “overlay”?
- This reply was modified 4 years, 4 months ago by rsewell19.
I’m late to the party so please take the following with a grain of salt. However, the questions surrounding; inset, overlay, frameless, and framed certainly effect me as I am sure it will with many of your future users. I would hazard a guess that the type of end user (production cabinet shops, hobbyists, and everyone in between) will approach these questions from very different perspectives, however I do think that some of the assumptions made earlier in this discussion are a little limiting.
– Overlay cabinets, whether full or half are used as often on frameless cabinets as they are framed. In fact I would guess that the majority of frameless cabinet makers use full overlay most of the time specifically to hide or make less critical the edge material they chose. That being the case, I think there is a real need for frameless cabinets to have an overlay option.
– I generally build three different types of cabinets; Frameless with full-overlay doors (11/16), framed cabinets with inset doors, and a hybrid cabinet that has a 3/4″ wide x 3/4″ thick frame around the entire box other than the base (which is 1-1/2″). The hybrid cabinet allows me to install my slides and hinges directly on the carcass much like frameless cabinets but provides the stability and aesthetic of the frame. All I have to do is set forward the typical 37mm offsets to 18mm. All this to say; I think some flexibility here will be very helpful as more people adopt your software.
– The terms “1/2”, “full”, and “partial” overlay, and the many variables in between have been abused by vendors, suppliers, customers, and builders over the years, and thus it can be very confusing even to a veteran builder as to what is what. The terms are somewhat subjective unless you specify the measurement you want the overlay to be: Thus saying; I want “half” overlays could easily mean a 3/4″ overlay on a 1-1/2″ stile or a 3/8″ overlay on a frameless cabinet. So, I would suggest that the type of hinge (compact frame mounted, Euro carcass mounted), the type of cabinet (Framed, Frameless), and the amount of overlay (3/8″, 1/2″, 11/16″, etc) need to be put into the matrix for this to be ultimately helpful for the manufacturer.
– I would love the ability too show the client the difference between what an overlay and inset cabinet looks like, as well as show them the difference between a wide stile/framed cabinet, and a seamless overlay mounted frameless product.
Hope that helps, even if late.