Tagged: overlay doors
February 26, 2017 at 1:07 pm #2517Mobile985Spectator
Looks great. Almost always have mid rails over 34″. Over fridge cabinets almost always have mid stile, the rest usually don’t.
Waiting for the test update 🙂
March 27, 2017 at 2:57 pm #3242rsewell19Spectator
- This reply was modified 4 years, 8 months ago by Mobile985.
I’m late to the party so please take the following with a grain of salt. However, the questions surrounding; inset, overlay, frameless, and framed certainly effect me as I am sure it will with many of your future users. I would hazard a guess that the type of end user (production cabinet shops, hobbyists, and everyone in between) will approach these questions from very different perspectives, however I do think that some of the assumptions made earlier in this discussion are a little limiting.
– Overlay cabinets, whether full or half are used as often on frameless cabinets as they are framed. In fact I would guess that the majority of frameless cabinet makers use full overlay most of the time specifically to hide or make less critical the edge material they chose. That being the case, I think there is a real need for frameless cabinets to have an overlay option.
– I generally build three different types of cabinets; Frameless with full-overlay doors (11/16), framed cabinets with inset doors, and a hybrid cabinet that has a 3/4″ wide x 3/4″ thick frame around the entire box other than the base (which is 1-1/2″). The hybrid cabinet allows me to install my slides and hinges directly on the carcass much like frameless cabinets but provides the stability and aesthetic of the frame. All I have to do is set forward the typical 37mm offsets to 18mm. All this to say; I think some flexibility here will be very helpful as more people adopt your software.
– The terms “1/2”, “full”, and “partial” overlay, and the many variables in between have been abused by vendors, suppliers, customers, and builders over the years, and thus it can be very confusing even to a veteran builder as to what is what. The terms are somewhat subjective unless you specify the measurement you want the overlay to be: Thus saying; I want “half” overlays could easily mean a 3/4″ overlay on a 1-1/2″ stile or a 3/8″ overlay on a frameless cabinet. So, I would suggest that the type of hinge (compact frame mounted, Euro carcass mounted), the type of cabinet (Framed, Frameless), and the amount of overlay (3/8″, 1/2″, 11/16″, etc) need to be put into the matrix for this to be ultimately helpful for the manufacturer.
– I would love the ability too show the client the difference between what an overlay and inset cabinet looks like, as well as show them the difference between a wide stile/framed cabinet, and a seamless overlay mounted frameless product.
Hope that helps, even if late.
– RichardMarch 27, 2017 at 4:01 pm #3243chiefwoodworkerKeymaster
I take it you have not tested out CabWriter yet? We froze code for revision 1.0 today and expect to have it available for purchase on Friday of this week. But a 30 day trial with full functionality is available to all potential customers. You should check back on Friday to give it a spin.
I am hoping that Greg joins in here. He is the real cabinetmaker. I am a ‘cabinetmaker’, but my work is limited to furniture, not much in the way of custom cabinets., though I have built about five kitchens over my life as a weekend warrior. I primary contribution here is writing software. That said I have never been know to shy away from giving my opinion ;<) I have researched on line for the definition of full overlay and half overlay, and while there is some consistency you can also find a lot of disagreement. CabWriter doesn't much care about the terms themselves. Full overlay can be whatever the user defines it to be in the parameters they set. If it is a frame-less design you can specify a gap of any dimension. If it is a face frame overlay design you can specify the overlay. If it is an inset design you again specify the gaps. With CabWriter you can present a client three designs: inset, overlay and frame-less overlay or a fourth which is a combination of face frame and frame-less (Greg uses that style a lot with his customers). If you are real gutsy presenter you can change from one type to the other in real time with the client watching simply by loading a new parameter file and re-drawing the cabinets. One thing we don't do in CabWriter is draw cabinets with single sheet dividers. Our view has been that building each box with its own sides makes construction quicker, easier and saves substantially in labor costs. The small increase in material costs if far out weighed by labor savings, especially when you consider building out for hinges on face frame designs. But I would love to hear your opinion on that. As I said, version 1.0 is locked down, but shortly we will begin working on version 2.0 and we will again want beta testers to help define what changes and new functionality we need in 2.0. If you are interested let us know and we will keep you on the beta tester list. Joe....
March 27, 2017 at 4:21 pm #3245rsewell19Spectator
- This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by chiefwoodworker.
In fact I have been plying with the latest beta version for about 10 days (I wrote you guys a few weeks back) and have been compiling a list regarding some bugs (Mac user, but not the same as the posted bugs I’ve already viewed) and some places where I’m personally struggling to either adopt the program to my building style, or just simply behind the learning curve. The overlay issue was one of those items and since I found that topic here already I decided to contribute. If you would prefer I not pipe in until version 2 is in the works just let me know.. I’d hate to overstep my bounds. As I mentioned in my letter to you and Greg, I have been searching for many years to find a program adaptable to my manufacturing process, and so far Cabwriter comes closer than most. I still have lots of testing to do but would certainly like to contribute. Am I to assume that the version I downloaded last week will have some upgrades in the trial version…i.e. ability to try “overlay”?
March 27, 2017 at 5:00 pm #3247chiefwoodworkerKeymaster
- This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by rsewell19.
My apology. I didn’t recall out last emails and I thought you were just coming on board today. By all means provide whatever guidance and feedback you have. We value the feedback and constructive criticism. The release that will come out Friday does have support for overlay designs. I have attached a zipped .skp file you can take a look at. And if there are problems you are having just give a shout and I would be happy to help.
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